Is there a way we can learn more about these dispersing mountain lions that may travel through the Granite State and that I would ask you certainly part about whether or not a he's spending too much time chasing down these kind of false leads or B would rather be doing something else that is more informative to whether or not we actually have or can prove that we have dispersing mountain lions in the state. I saw the tail end of a literally from behind the shoulder The Long Tail mountain lion crossing the highway going from Password to often Village downtown. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. Long before NASA was asked to put a man on the moon one engineer had already figured out how to get there. The DNA the DNA that they were able to pull from the cat suggested that it was a dispersed mountain lion that came. Yet this young male traveled about 1,800 miles. What kind of animal is that. John. So so in 2011 a mountain lion was killed in a car accident in Connecticut a car hit a mountain lion and killed it. Now again I don't know that there's anything to that. Do we have native species that could have exhibited this type of behavior leaving leaving a deer carcass up in a tree. And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. Mountain lions can be found throughout Arizona, and data suggests the populations are not only stable, but growing. Numerous scat and fur specimens have been turned in as part of mountain lion report investigations; DNA identification has shown these submitted samples to be from domestic dog, coyote, bobcat andraccoon. Patrick Tate: So I just got to throw a little interesting side note in this. So it is possible to see male Mountain lions roam into the northeast - there was one hit by a car in CT a number of years back - but we don't have a breeding population of Mountain lions in New England. Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. And so far we have not had any positive mark lion scats or any DNA. Sam Evans-Brown: What he would have stopped as well I think is way way that the reason that mountain lion kept moving is because he wasn't finding anybody. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests - AP NEWS We had six copies printed out each. Sam Evans-Brown: And second the evidence required is is you know pretty pretty tough to gather. However the scarring on the trees did not and the angles were off. All of that remains unanswered but it is an extremely interesting question. Can you tell us about that story. Really appreciate it. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. brings a lot of. Almost all species disperse greater distances than females. N.H. Sam Evans-Brown: But I mean the video I had been sent was you know a recording of a animal growling but it was in slow motion and when I asked the person why is this in slow motion the denied that it was so there's a lot of weird stuff that happens in regards to people claiming they've seen they've seen these things. 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Want to put this to to Patrick Tate who may have heard some some info or info from listeners like you about these these these cats. We're going to talk a little bit more about habitat first but then we'll get into sightings. They get a lot of media attention but compared to the the amount of times that a mountain lion could attack a person but doesn't because they don't typically view us as prey. Have a photo. www.wildlife.state.nh.us, Buy or Renew Your Saltwater Fishing License, Great Bay National Estuarine Research Reserve. Can you look into this picture. Caller: Hey guys how you doing. They're just moving around freely. This is the exchange. Give today. By Eric Orff. I would just suggest that in my experience as a reporter covering this covering this issue for a few years at least at what point do we reach a certain critical mass for lack of a better term of accounts where I'm not to suggest that you guys aren't taking this possibility seriously. You've got you've got biologists right who are trying to make their make their way in the world make a career if you are the biologists who confirmed a sighting of mountain lions in the state that would be very good for you like you would be all over the news. He studied Politics and Spanish at Bates College, and before reporting was variously employed as a Spanish teacher, farmer, bicycle mechanic, ski coach, research assistant, a wilderness trip leader and a technical supporter. It is also known as cougar, panther, mountain lion, and puma, though catamount is the preferred regional vernacular. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part II - WMUR Rick van de Poll: Well I didn't. Let us know your story and share your photos. We speculate they dont want us to screw up tourism we dont know whats going on. Thank you. And there's there's no evidence of that cat's movement in that entire you know 12 hundred miles stretch of its journey. Somewhere the way they travel the things they do they're going to leave evidence. The exchange is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio. So nowadays we think of this in the Northeast as crazy stuff that people have a mountain lion as a pet. They're the generalists that made it through both the arrival of the Clovis people with their with their spears and then the Europeans with their guns. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. Sam Evans-Brown: So Tim so this cat's been been referenced a couple of times I think we should talk about it specifically lay the whole story out for folks who haven't heard the story because it's actually I think really indicative of a lot of stuff for talking about. I've had a number of people call up and say I found a scout in the woods and I want it DNA identified. And they asked me about the tail which I just did not remember that tail out of that whole experience. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! On Oct. 10, he gave a slide talk called "Wild Cats of New Hampshire," which included the bobcat and the lynx. And just one more note about this danger question when even when you look at the states that have extended populations stable populations of mountain lions attacks are relatively rare. It was some sort of a Lion Mountain Lion animal. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. Its impossible to say, but I think the odds are pretty good that some of these sightings are legit. About Lions. If youd like to submit a question (or send a mountain line photo) you can record it as a voice memo on your smart phone and send it tooustidein@nhpr.org, OR call our hotline, 1-844-GO-OTTER (1-844-466-8837) and leave a message. 'Like we did as kids': Horse makes snow angels with her owner in New Peter Biello: Ok. Its closest living relative is the cheetah. Enable JavaScript by changing your browser options, and then try again. Sam Evans-Brown: And when we talk about subspecies this actually leads to to an interesting tangent which is that the field of biology recently has been sort of revolutionized by the use of DNA to determine what subspecies are. They just end up in these places. To date most of the pictures that have been sent in have been bobcats and other species Ive received pictures of house cats. If you have them email exchange at an HP board or give us a call to tell us your story. But before I go any further I want to say we do not have sufficient game. As I tried to get a picture of it so there was it was definitely we looked up all the pictures and it was definitely not a bobcat or anything else being it looked just like a mountain lion. That's why we always go back to the physical evidence to support what they're reporting. She quotes a biologist in Lyme New Hampshire who who is keeping two mountain lions himself so in the not too distant past in the early nineteen hundreds it was perhaps more common and still in Maine. Absolutely there are a lot of folks out there who for some reason need to create something that raises a stir and gets the attention of the media etc.. N.H. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting - NECN So I know it's another unconfirmed report but you string enough of these together. And so a mountain lion is actually quite large right. So we tossed these terms around but really the term subspecies has been sort of redefined in our lifetimes. (Cue the X-Files music: The Government is denying the cougars exist!) This decision was primarily for nerdy phylogeny reasons, though, because the eastern cougar probably never existed. Peter Biello: And then it ran away okay. I don't know if she still is. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. JavaScript must be enabled for some features to display properly. We'll hear more about the mountain lions impact and the role it plays in the ecosystem. It was not a bobcat. I'm Peter Biello. And maybe it's a no holds barred nostalgia for a better world a wild or Fuller world not a world that's constrained by our boundaries and our taxes and our highways. Have you seen one. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all. Thank you. If so that's for us as an agency. The 17-year-old Kiger mustang mare was born in Bend, Oregon, said Hodskins, who got her . Listeners we'd love to hear some of your thoughts on this. Think you've seen a mountain lion? I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. The Lions of New Hampshire: MD44 Links. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. We want answers. But I do think that it's appropriate that a fishing game agency would recognize verifiable proof if they could. It was in the spring flash kind of early summer and my wife looked at you look at the size of an adult bear and we were up in arms. Any sense of of whether or not mountain lions are sort of wary of more population dense areas like like the one he was describing Rick. And trying to figure out the little pieces to identify him so I bring up the names the differences but the appearances can be confusing for some. What gets confusing is when you have a large adult animal and a smaller juvenile animal of a different species you can now step start beginning talking about overlapping body weights and sizes. Really appreciate you guys being here as well. Patrick Tate: So it's interesting it's brought up. So I want to start the program with a comment from someone who is not in the studio with us today. You can see two of them at Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness NH. Saddleback Mountain Lions New Hampshire Public Radio | So I just brought up the bobcat thing because the location is fascinating to me that that that location we have Bobcats existing but that location we have a mountain lion report because it's a developed area and which brings me back to earlier what I had said it's a bouncing ball. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion. Peter Biello: And that will make identification for a layperson rather difficult. Patrick Tate: So the individuals can say that but for an agency that's based on science and what not to to go off with no evidence and then get into that giant debate and all these other issues and put credibility at risk I don't think that would be a great path to take. John is calling from Bennington. Theres tracks everywhere. So here in New Hampshire when a person turns in something that the Department believes is possible mountain lion and believes it should be investigated further. Some argue that it's a leap of faith. Caller: Oh yeah. Oh you saw him online. Tate said that while a mountain lion sighting in New Hampshire isn't likely, it's not impossible. Do you want to see real, living mountain lions that do exist in New Hampshire. Sam Evans-Brown: Well this might be a good moment to talk about hoaxes. So the whole media hype about how scary mountain lions are should should go away immediately and that would be that I think the major thrust of educating folks about these casualties vs.. Sam Evans-Brown: Sam go ahead. Patrick Tate: In theory it's a passing ball of a court and it goes wherever the bottom Ball wants to go. Information online ad an age student loans dawg. Squam Lake: Home of mountain lions - Concord Monitor Caller: Oh hi. But are there mountain lions living in New Hampshire? Good morning guys. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Peter Biello: And Carl before you continue I think Patrick Tate just give me a second. Peter Biello: Let's go to Mike in Epping. Patrick Tate: So I agree with what Sam said in part that their ability to go undetected for amount of time but ultimately it was detected. Patrick Tate: I don't believe it is. I saw that had this giant the bobcat had this giant sweeping which is John Bobcat don't have big sweeping tails. From: Boomerdog in OK 08-Oct-07 Monadnock Ledger-Transcript - Claims of mountain lions spread We are the second most-forested state in the country, and those forests can be impenetrable snarls (part of why the Northeast is notoriously a difficult place to hunt deer), and while there are people in a lot of those woods, because the cats have been absent for a few generations now, most of those people dont know what a cougar scrape or latrine look and smell like. The most common areas to see mountain lions in Arizona are in places of rocky and mountainous terrain. So Michael follows with the question. We'd be inundated with scouts in the past when newspaper articles have been written about DNA and scouts. Each person had their own copy and now it was identify the trees the species of tree matched. Something along those lines. Peter Biello: Yeah well what do you think Pat is. Course like Sue said you have to see it and it's not always that visible. You don't know what's going on. So the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station has a database on mountain lion and they can identify. However if if and when it does happen it takes up a lot of resources looking at that situation and identifying what's going on because when you start out you don't know it's a hoax. Gotcha, so the Deep State is suppressing mountain lion news in order to prop up New Hampshire tourism? Caller: I cannot recall or see the tail in my in my image of it. Having not found any evidence is not the same as saying there are no mountain lions, its the same as saying we dont know. Some of the reports that I looked into that were actually on file at the local fish and game office were even from people who did not live locally. They lived perhaps elsewhere in New England and they were just passing through and happened to have an encounter of some sort. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. Thanks also to Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England and Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in about the natural world and how we use it. The unheralded hero of Apollo John Hubble the man who knew the way to the moon. We're gonna talk about sightings in this part of the program as well we'd love to hear your story. We live around Cold Springs Campground and it was undeniably a mountain lion. Patrick Tate: Okay. They kill big animals. I just saw the head and the tail that was leaving. And I think a lot of folks would like them to be around. Fish and Game then deny the evidence. Thanks for your call. Well I can't tell you what you saw. I live pretty much on the town line of Greenfield just a couple of miles down in the Greenfield. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. You need a permit to have that. John you're on the air. But on the other side of that coin there is this sense that there have been so many sightings locally and you guys Patrick you might recall the name the Wyndham McCracken she kind of turned herself into a local authority off authorities the right word but she was very dedicated to this. Mountain Lion Population (In Each U.S. State) - Wildlife Informer Rick van de Poll: Well a report that you know as John Harrigan up north has in co-ops County for about 15 years I kept track of reports and people would call me and tell me where they saw the mountain lion they thought they saw it and it varied right from you know downtown villages all the way to remote highlands of the North Country and and everywhere in between. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting By Elysia Rodriguez Published August 11, 2015 A southern New Hampshire neighborhood believes a mountain lion is roaming the woods near their homes. It's completely possible that it may have spent time in New Hampshire and went undetected but had it stayed in the area ultimately it would have been detected over time. How far were you from this cat. Ive received pictures of dogs at odd angles, says Tate. You know you have to have a license and it's hard to get that license a license to own a mountain lion. But the state always denies it, and none of us know why they deny it. Over a period of a year and a half, this Mountain Lion left DNA evidence in at least four states. So. They create these big latrines that are very obvious. So I don't understand really how how this this idea came to be but it is the main reason why folks believe that fishing game is is covering up the fact that there are mountain lions in the state again with no evidence. So do they. NH Fish and Game relies on physical evidence to answer questions about the presence or absence of mountain lion in the state. Russ, from Sandwich (and Bedford) asks: In Sandwich New Hampshire, everybody has a story about seeing a mountain lion. And as the biologist who's gonna stand on this and if I'm going to say this is a proven picture I need to be able to stand on it so soundly and have the evidence so I going to go through it with a fine tooth comb kept picking pieces apart trying to answer these pieces. And you know all that. And because you know things flow downhill and I was pushed to go investigate it more and met with the individual two or three times and there was a bunch of inconsistencies about the photograph. One was in Shelton. Caller: Yeah I hadn't experienced blastoff fall so this was around September and I was driving from Webster into Concord on Horse Hill Road and anybody in the area would know I was right near the Red Barn and all of a sudden this animal jumps out of the woods and it bounded across the road in about two two giant leaps and stopped in the field just on the other side. They absolutely do. From "History of New Hampshire Game and Furbearers" by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. And it's not really strong. I'll send it to you. And now that everyone and their mother has a remote camera in their back yard its just so, so unlikely that there are resident, breeding mountain lions in New England that are living invisibly among us, he says, Its become Big Foot.. I'm Peter B yellow. Let's talk to Bob in Laconia Bob. Rick van de Poll: 80 90. You need you need either a really good photograph or you need you know fresh scat that can be sent to a lab out West that can they can be identified there. SUE Morse naturalist and science director for the organization keeping track. No evidence and other states where Mountain lights have turned up. I hope she's listening and she had spoke to a lot of different people ended up having a couple of sightings of her alone without sort of by accident. We send out DNA samples to the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station. Let's look for other evidence. Verifiable pictures recorded by the observing person or a trail camera. 19 If you go on YouTube and search mount lion Pat you can see people patent their hundred pound kiddie like its regular mascot cat. So for those reasons I don't believe the standards are too high the amount of game cameras out on the landscape to record images department alone through contracts had over 150 throughout the state biologists go through various deer yards throughout the year. Updated: 9:53 AM EST Dec 6, 2016. If you missed part of today's program listen to the exchange. Well within there. I'm gonna send you a letter that we researched this report and we spoke with those labs and the lab wrote in their letter to us that they could only say that Scott contained white Tea Party fur and that they could not say what deposited the scout because it's far too degraded listeners we'd love to hear from you about your mountain lion sightings if you have seen one or if you if you think you have give us a call we'd love to hear your story 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Ecosystem Management Consultants of New England, Ask Sam, and recently fielded question about mountain lions, 10 things to do in NH this weekend: Dartmouth Dance, Hamilton De Holanda & more, Turkish restaurant in the Upper Valley aims to help those affected by recent earthquakes, RFK Jr. tells NH crowd hes considering a presidential run, Epping woman pleads guilty to threatening Michigan election official in 2020, We also hear excerpts from an interview with, Read about the most recent cougar "sightings". And really whenever you hear tiny code and long rope like tale it's kind of hard to pin this sighting on any other creature rather than an outline or just nothing else really matches that description. Contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. So what a neat experience. Patrick Tate: Yes. So I think in that story there's there's something for the believers and the nonbelievers and I and you know Mark L. Brock is who is a gentleman with the cougar Network told me this story is evidence that that if they were here we would know about it.

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